People on here make me laugh “Mary only won two slams for a reason” do any of us really know how truly difficult and hard it is to even win a match at a grand slam,,,
What happens, happens. It’s no ones fault but the players for losing a match. If they chose to go on court ill/injured/unfocused then that’s their problem. It’s not right to downgrade their opponent because they happened to win.
There are many reasons players win grand slams, and also don’t.
Why won’t people just accept that history has already been written and stop obsessing how it could have been different?
Pierce was in her prime at the same time as Steffi. You really think she was a better player here at age 30 and 5 years removed from her last major win, then in the mid 90s. Her best years ever were 1994 and 1995. Mary had a couple wins over Steffi but was never a better player even at her best, and never came close to being ranked higher, having a winning head to head, or having better results. Get out of your fantasy World please.
Mauresmo was entering her career peak, next year she would dominate and win 2 slams, and Mary was 30. At that point Mary was not a better player than Mauresmo. Also check out the Pierce and Mauresmo head to head.
My point is that Mary did not lose to a weaker player than herself in any of those finals. Mauresmo is atleast her level as a player, and Justine and Kim are greater players as their higher number of slams and achievements show. Mary won only 2 slams for a reason.
Definitely these two would have kicked Steffi Graf´s butt, of course Steffi was a great player but she was lucky to play before 2000s, otherwise wouldn´t have shine as she did.
Mauresmo > Pierce on carpet? nope, I dont think so. Mary has two Tier I titles on carpet to Momo’s zero, not to mention more wins over top players on the surface than Amelie.
Besides, the 2005 YEC was an indoor hard court surface, not carpet. And at Mary was the odd on favorite to win that match, so yea, in a way.. she kind of lost to a lesser player in that YEC final.
She lost to better players in each. Henin > Pierce on clay. Clijsters > Pierce on hard courts. Maruesmo > Pierce on carpet. It is not like she lost to a lesser player in any of them.
She would have still lost if she had. This Henin was an ill one who would miss the next 6 months and who played like crap and served 10 double faults. Plus this is hard courts, not clay, on hard courts Henin is just another top player, and on clay she is the dominant one by far.
i always love the fact Novotna ‘s H2H against Venus was like 4:1 or 3:1. Anyways this was a sweet revenge for Pierce. Had she been healthy her bang bang baseline game should have overpowered Davenport and Capriaiti IMO. When Pierce was on she destroyed players and there is NO ONE she did not beat in her era worth notice. Graf, Seles, ASV, Novotna, Sabatina, Martina N, Martina H, Venus, Serena, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, Sharapova. She beat them all . Pierce is Hall of Fame Worthy!!
Yes I thought she was OK on the surface and could have won Wimbledon in 1994 as Steffi lost in the first round. Only she took too long to return to the tour.
: Are you forgetting Seles was only 15 at the time? Graf had already won Wimbledon once and had been Wimbledon runner-up in 1987 so obviously Graf was going to be the heavy favorite. Monica never beat Steffi on grass, but she did win Eastbourne once and beat Martina N. on grass, so she wasn’t that bad on grass.
Henin is my favourite female tennis player, apart from Steffi Graf, so I was sad to see her lose this match. But all credit to Mary, so full of class and so good for such a long time. She must surely be considered one of the all time greats of the game.
The only reason why it was “never her surface” is because she did not quite believe in herself and unfortunately for her should have done especially after an obese baselining spainiard won it in ’94.
But Monica was only 15 yrs old during her Wimbly match against Graf and she had already reached the 4th round, good for her. That was never her surface. I will try menstennisofrums…
aren’t you forgetting the ’89 Wimbly 4th Round where ( a grunting) Seles could only manage to win 1 game vs Graf ? So much for your intensity theory.. Monica why don’t you stick to tennis.com or perhaps try menstennisforums. Whist I disagree on some of what you say, you do strike me as having some integrity and good tennis knowledge . Unfortuantely YT is in the main unmoderated place. Think about it.
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By Bryan Byrnes, November 10, 2012 @ 3:54 am
People on here make me laugh “Mary only won two slams for a reason” do any of us really know how truly difficult and hard it is to even win a match at a grand slam,,,
By Kiel Timmons, November 10, 2012 @ 4:24 am
What happens, happens. It’s no ones fault but the players for losing a match. If they chose to go on court ill/injured/unfocused then that’s their problem. It’s not right to downgrade their opponent because they happened to win.
There are many reasons players win grand slams, and also don’t.
Why won’t people just accept that history has already been written and stop obsessing how it could have been different?
By cutechilean, November 10, 2012 @ 5:24 am
in fact Pierce kicked Graf butt once.
By Doug Metris, November 10, 2012 @ 5:52 am
Pierce was in her prime at the same time as Steffi. You really think she was a better player here at age 30 and 5 years removed from her last major win, then in the mid 90s. Her best years ever were 1994 and 1995. Mary had a couple wins over Steffi but was never a better player even at her best, and never came close to being ranked higher, having a winning head to head, or having better results. Get out of your fantasy World please.
By Doug Metris, November 10, 2012 @ 6:12 am
Mauresmo was entering her career peak, next year she would dominate and win 2 slams, and Mary was 30. At that point Mary was not a better player than Mauresmo. Also check out the Pierce and Mauresmo head to head.
My point is that Mary did not lose to a weaker player than herself in any of those finals. Mauresmo is atleast her level as a player, and Justine and Kim are greater players as their higher number of slams and achievements show. Mary won only 2 slams for a reason.
By cutechilean, November 10, 2012 @ 6:27 am
Definitely these two would have kicked Steffi Graf´s butt, of course Steffi was a great player but she was lucky to play before 2000s, otherwise wouldn´t have shine as she did.
By bilraz, November 10, 2012 @ 6:42 am
Mauresmo > Pierce on carpet? nope, I dont think so. Mary has two Tier I titles on carpet to Momo’s zero, not to mention more wins over top players on the surface than Amelie.
Besides, the 2005 YEC was an indoor hard court surface, not carpet. And at Mary was the odd on favorite to win that match, so yea, in a way.. she kind of lost to a lesser player in that YEC final.
By bilraz, November 10, 2012 @ 7:29 am
Dont be so sure. This Mary was more than capable of blowing a peak Henin off the court.
By Doug Metris, November 10, 2012 @ 8:02 am
She lost to better players in each. Henin > Pierce on clay. Clijsters > Pierce on hard courts. Maruesmo > Pierce on carpet. It is not like she lost to a lesser player in any of them.
By Doug Metris, November 10, 2012 @ 8:25 am
She would have still lost if she had. This Henin was an ill one who would miss the next 6 months and who played like crap and served 10 double faults. Plus this is hard courts, not clay, on hard courts Henin is just another top player, and on clay she is the dominant one by far.
By iNikkoJohn, November 10, 2012 @ 8:58 am
mary’s shots looks like rockets
By househeadericmd, November 10, 2012 @ 9:12 am
i always love the fact Novotna ‘s H2H against Venus was like 4:1 or 3:1. Anyways this was a sweet revenge for Pierce. Had she been healthy her bang bang baseline game should have overpowered Davenport and Capriaiti IMO. When Pierce was on she destroyed players and there is NO ONE she did not beat in her era worth notice. Graf, Seles, ASV, Novotna, Sabatina, Martina N, Martina H, Venus, Serena, Clijsters, Henin, Mauresmo, Sharapova. She beat them all . Pierce is Hall of Fame Worthy!!
By kelvinpyaeko, November 10, 2012 @ 9:42 am
4:44 epic rally. so much fun to watch
By ifluvinguiswrong, November 10, 2012 @ 10:26 am
I’m so glad she took out Henin in this match. Hadn’t realized they played at the Open but this was a joy to watch.
By Kiel Timmons, November 10, 2012 @ 11:22 am
Great tennis from both, but in the end Mary had her groundstrokes on max and when that’s happening she’s capable of beating anyone.
By donellcarey880621, November 10, 2012 @ 11:50 am
Mary’s match is such a joy to watch. And also she’s such a nice lady, always gives applause when great shots from her opponent come out.
By ivan19741974, November 10, 2012 @ 11:57 am
que tenis de mary!!!
Excelent!!!
By tenniscollector, November 10, 2012 @ 12:48 pm
Yes I thought she was OK on the surface and could have won Wimbledon in 1994 as Steffi lost in the first round. Only she took too long to return to the tour.
By kljMN2, November 10, 2012 @ 1:14 pm
: Are you forgetting Seles was only 15 at the time? Graf had already won Wimbledon once and had been Wimbledon runner-up in 1987 so obviously Graf was going to be the heavy favorite. Monica never beat Steffi on grass, but she did win Eastbourne once and beat Martina N. on grass, so she wasn’t that bad on grass.
By kljMN2, November 10, 2012 @ 1:31 pm
Why oh why couldn’t Mary have played like this in Paris that year? 🙁
By MrRokePoke, November 10, 2012 @ 1:48 pm
Henin is my favourite female tennis player, apart from Steffi Graf, so I was sad to see her lose this match. But all credit to Mary, so full of class and so good for such a long time. She must surely be considered one of the all time greats of the game.
By tenniscollector, November 10, 2012 @ 2:09 pm
The only reason why it was “never her surface” is because she did not quite believe in herself and unfortunately for her should have done especially after an obese baselining spainiard won it in ’94.
By tenniscollector, November 10, 2012 @ 3:02 pm
Onya Monica. I think you will find MensTennisForums is a lot larger website and more features than tennis.com. You’ll enjoy it I’m sure.
By Monica Matos, November 10, 2012 @ 3:17 pm
But Monica was only 15 yrs old during her Wimbly match against Graf and she had already reached the 4th round, good for her. That was never her surface. I will try menstennisofrums…
By tenniscollector, November 10, 2012 @ 4:12 pm
aren’t you forgetting the ’89 Wimbly 4th Round where ( a grunting) Seles could only manage to win 1 game vs Graf ? So much for your intensity theory.. Monica why don’t you stick to tennis.com or perhaps try menstennisforums. Whist I disagree on some of what you say, you do strike me as having some integrity and good tennis knowledge . Unfortuantely YT is in the main unmoderated place. Think about it.